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« on: December 23, 2009, 11:27:29 PM »

The K-II Safe Range EMF Detector

http://www.paranormal-tips.com/?p=18

One interesting little tidbit that I found in this article was how to recognize faked EMF hits in K-II videos.
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2010, 09:23:32 AM »

We bought one early last year to test the thing, and found very quickly that it is far too easy to get false readings from the device - but we wanted to give it a fair trial, so we have used it on 5 investigations - the first four, we had no response that was not easily explainable (RF interference from our walkie-talkies was the #1 culprit...not paranormal, but it freaked our intern out a little.) Then on the last investigation of last year we had the thing go crazy lighting up all of the LEDs, but only in one room and only when investigators were in the room asking questions. (we set a camera on it for over an hour while we were on a different floor and the thing did not once flicker past the 2nd LED, and those were all so quick that they were barely noticible.)

I still think that it is a terrible investigation tool, but we have decided to keep it in the arsenal and withhold judgement until we have some more information to judge it on.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 12:10:23 AM »

Hi Stephen,

Here are a couple of pics I found on the internet of the inside of a K-II. As you can see, there's not much there. Hardly a sophisticated scientific instrument. In fact, the word is that it was originally designed for construction workers to find wires inside of walls! I can easily believe that these things can pick up literally anything that creates an electric field.

I'm starting to have my doubts about the whole EMF thing anyway. It seems to have not been proven to any degree of certainty that spirits even put off EMF fields. In fact, it seems to me that some of the most compelling tales of personal encounters that I have heard are mainly psychic or spiritual (pick your preferred term) in nature and can't be detected with instrumentation. I won't go into my usual rant about all the pseudo-science involved in paranormal investigation these days. Smiley I'm trying to find real science in there somewhere.

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 09:09:50 AM »

But it has such pretty lights!!  Roll Eyes It MUST be a wonderful investigation tool!!
I certainly would not recommend the K-II as a communication device, it is a marginal EMF meter and they jacked up the price of the stupid thing once paranormal teams started using them. (As you said, there isn't a whole lot to them - I had heard they used to sell for about $25, now the going rate is $50 +)

The biggest problem with the K-II is that everyone sees the '20 questions' stuff on TV and shuts down critical thinking - One of the first things that was drilled into my head about investigating was "Know the limitations of your equipment", but I suspect that a lot of teams just pop in the 9-volt and start asking the yes-no questions.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 11:48:54 PM »

If you want pretty lights, my Ramsey trifield has it beat by a country mile. You know, like the amplifier in "This is Spinal Tap" that goes to "11".

It has more "stuff" inside too.

I was thinking about mixing some blue LEDs in there somewhere. Wouldn't that be cool?

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2010, 10:10:08 PM »

Jim, you are showing your age, in reference to "Spinal Tap". My "Magic 8 Ball" might have the same- or better response. (not that im that old to remeber this). We need you "techies" to create those "gadgets" we can trust. Get to work! LOL.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2010, 08:47:32 AM »

Blue would be a nice addition - and if you could add an MP3 player I would buy one!
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2010, 01:13:10 PM »


You know, I could actually do that.

Now how much would you pay? Don't answer yet, look what else you get!

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2010, 12:15:44 PM »

This topic is beginning to derail  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2010, 08:02:43 PM »


I'm working on sourcing some Ginsu knives now....
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 12:09:57 AM »

It seems the web page posted in the first message of this topic has gone away. Here is the relevant text from the article, rescued from the Internet Archive ( http://web.archive.org/web/20090514091059/http://www.paranormal-tips.com/?p=18 ).

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This has to be the worst meter an investigator can add to their arsenal of equipment, but has received great attention and enthusiasm because of its use on the Ghost Hunters TV series, where they use it for ?Spirit? communication.  Unfortunately all the show has done is to set the world of paranormal research back to the stone-age.

The K-II was designed at the height of the EM scare in the early 90?s, and is designed to pick up EM noise.  The readout only has four LEDs (the fifth is always lit) to display a reading, which gives it very poor resolution and supplies the user with very little information about the strength of the signal.  That in itself should raise major concerns about the usefulness of this product, but it gets even worse from here.

Because the meter uses LEDs, which are very quick to respond with a readout, any little spike in EM will generate a response.  While some may think this is a good thing, it is actually not desirable because there are such spikes generated by know sources all the time.  The sun, beginning and ending radio transmissions, electrical appliances switching on and off, and a number of other man made and natural influences.

Another thing that makes this meter undesirable is that it is has a single pole detector.  What this means is that it is polarized and simply turning the meter on any axis will greatly affect the strength of the reading.  This again adds to the confusion and influence that random noise will have on the meter.
Now when it comes to spirit communication, I think people need to reign in on their emotions and think about this logically.  The K-II is not the first EMF meter, nor is it the only one.  The only difference between it and a number of others on the market is the LED readout.  As I mentioned earlier, this is a bad thing, and if you were to hook up an LCD display to this device, you would find that it would produce similar results to a Sperry Meter.  In other words, if it works with the K-II, it should work with any meter out there, but investigative teams such as T.A.P.S. would have us believe that it is special and unique to this ability to communicate with spirits.

Here?s another interesting observation that people should be aware of and consider: When the K-II meter was first used by TAPS on the show Ghost Hunters, with Chris Fleming as a guest, they used the cheap on off button that comes stock on the meter.  This is a momentary switch that only stays engaged as long as you hold the button down.  Another interesting thing about the K-II is that it swings full scale when first powered on, then half scale, then sits idle with the first LED lit. Exactly like it did during the communication episode on Ghost Hunters, when they were in Dave Oman?s house.  In fact, if you watch that episode, you can see the first LED wink out momentarily, indicating they let off the power button momentarily.  This happens each and every time they get a response.  Now some have suggested that maybe it is like a Ouija board and that it?s subconscious, but I say hogwash to that.  To do this requires to much conscious effort to trigger it with as little power interruption as is seen on the show.  In other words, it?s all staged, and if you notice that after being called into question about it, they ceased using the meter in such a fashion.

Now what Ghost Hunters does is to jam a quarter in the power button.  This is the keep the switch engaged, but as a side effect it also makes it more susceptible to influence from things such as family band radios.  This influence can easily be seem by anyone who momentarily pushes the talk button and releases it.  It can also be seen by simply holding the talk button down and simply moving the radio side to side in any direction or pivoting it in a twisting motion, which is how I believe they are rigging their responses now.

In short, because of all the drawbacks of this meter, the results are highly questionable and should be ignored.  Because of all its flaws, the K-II is more toy than a useful piece of equipment for paranormal investigation.  Those who think otherwise are encouraged to open up a few books on electronics, scientific methodology, and examine the schematic for the K-II.

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 06:39:50 PM »


Update: Here's another very accurate assessment of the K2. Thanks to Ileata Kenley on Facebook for finding this.

http://national-paranormal-society.org/addressing-the-safe-range-emf-meter/

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